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Post by risewithus56 on Jul 31, 2013 23:40:07 GMT -8
Hey guys, another pretty straightforward question: who's your pick to win the Heisman?
Ever since he scored his first touchdown I've been clamoring that De'Anthony Thomas (DAT) would win a Heisman before he left Oregon. Considering his pro potential, this year could be his last, so this would be the year to do it. And if the Ducks go to the national championship game and he's a big part of it, I could easily see it.
On a less biased side, though, it could be anybody. Jadaveon Clowney? AJ McCarron? Braxton Miller? Aaron Murray? Marquis Lee? Somebody we've never heard of? The field is wide open.
Take your pick!
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Post by McNutted on Aug 1, 2013 14:01:40 GMT -8
Other than Mark Heisman? I mean Weisman.
Jameis Winston FSU
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Post by tonedsmoke14 on Aug 1, 2013 15:00:06 GMT -8
I'm gonna say OSU QB Braxton Miller will have alot of B.S. errr I mean hype so I really see him being right there along with SC Clowney just because of hype as well.
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Post by lawlesslawls on Aug 1, 2013 16:10:56 GMT -8
No repeat action for Johnny Football? I'll take Miller, because of bias and OSU being the only decent team in the Big 10 other than the Huskers.
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Post by McNutted on Aug 1, 2013 16:17:13 GMT -8
Woah woah woah! All the B1G hate from a Big 12 guy.... No way!
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Post by lawlesslawls on Aug 1, 2013 17:03:18 GMT -8
Woah woah woah! All the B1G hate from a Big 12 guy.... No way! I'm not saying the Big 12 is good by any means (especially this year), but at least we've had more than one team win a National Championship in the last 15 years.
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Post by McNutted on Aug 1, 2013 18:36:54 GMT -8
You have a valid point, but I will let the B1G's BCS record vs that of the Big 12's do my talking. 12 wins > 9.
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Post by lawlesslawls on Aug 1, 2013 19:48:50 GMT -8
You have a valid point, but I will let the B1G's BCS record vs that of the Big 12's do my talking. 12 wins > 9. That's fair, but I think if they were head to head games the record would be different.
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Post by risewithus56 on Aug 1, 2013 23:56:50 GMT -8
Whoa whoa whoa! Shots fired! First non-conference game of the year in the favorite team dynasty, Iowa-Oklahoma, let the rivalry begin!!!
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Post by risewithus56 on Aug 2, 2013 0:00:45 GMT -8
Oregon has been in the NC game more times since 2010 than both conferences combined... Does that count?
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Post by lawlesslawls on Aug 2, 2013 8:53:34 GMT -8
Oregon has been in the NC game more times since 2010 than both conferences combined... Does that count? Sure....
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Post by BentleyA on Aug 2, 2013 10:38:46 GMT -8
Oregon has been in the NC game more times since 2010 than both conferences combined... Does that count? Hahah, that is funny to me as a Portlander that is not a Duck fan because that is one of the comments I hear people say about Duck fans, which is they only look back a few years. I will say though, Ohio State is the only Big 10 team to win the Rose Bowl in the last 13 years. The Big 10 is 1-9 in the Rose Bowl since 2000... Ouchhh. With that said, I am VERY upset that the Big 10 did not end up doing the contract with the Pac 12 (I believe Bendover Larry Scott is the one that backed out) for every team to play another team from the other conference each year. I was looking forward to that! Plus it would mean that SC would play a Big 10 school, plus ND each year, leaving only 1 other non conference game that might be boring. Hell, SC could have had a year where they played Texas, Nebraska, and ND all as non-conference games (Texas SC is 2020-2021). I salivate over that thought. Anyways, back to Heisman talk. I would take Mariota before I would take DAT. DAT is a play maker, but he is going to be in the slot this year a lot and I just do not think he will get enough touches. I see Oregon throwing the ball more and I think Mariota is actually the best player on Oregon. Yes, I think he is better than DAT because I think DAT is more of a speciality guy (slot guy), where Mariota is more of a QB that I see turning into a Russell Wilson at the next level (hopefully he can get proper coaching at Oregon to turn into that). Mariota also has his head screwed on right, is very intelligent, and extremely motivated to continue to get better (not saying DAT is not). Additionally, DAT is hurt by the new kickoff rules from last season and ended up only being average on kickoff returns (5th in conference) and was over 4 yards per return worse than the lead (Marqise). I actually have Mariota in my top 3 Heisman candidates. Sadly, I will have to put Braxton up there too just because of his team's schedule. Jameis Winston is an interesting choice, but I do not think quite yet. Definitely next year though. McCarron is my third. He is just too efficient and the quarterback of Alabama, so it would be dumb not to have him in my top 3. Let me also just say that I know that the Heisman is not a trophy for the best player in college football, so that is why I chose those guys. 2 Darkhorses for me would be Lache Sestruck (he claimed he is going to win it after last year, haha) and Duke Johnson. If Miami gets any sort of media attention or people actually start going to their games, people will see how good Duke Johnson is. Dont have Clowney because he has 3 new counterparts around him and he will be the main focus of their defense for every opposing offense. He did not even lead the nation in sacks last year. Excellent player and I have him as 1b as best players in the country (Marqise Lee being 1a), but the Heisman is not for the best player in football sadly.
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Post by risewithus56 on Aug 2, 2013 13:05:58 GMT -8
Whoa there, shots fired again! USC-UO grudge match! nah, I was just kidding, the Ducks have been great but they're still nowhere near the other elite programs in terms of history or tradition. Recent success absolutely, more consecutive BCS bowl appearances than any other school I believe (correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's accurate), but no, no history there. I can actually agree with you there. I just think DAT is so exciting and makes so many "Heisman moment" type plays that get people fired up, but this team is heavily dependent on the production of Mariota. Hell, he's probably already the best QB Oregon has had since Harrington, and definitely the best in this new up-tempo era (even though I'm incredibly partial of Dennis Dixon). He could certainly win the Heisman, especially with the dual-threat stats he can potentially put up, which nowadays seems almost required for Heisman-winning QB's. I can't necessarily argue that Lee is the best player in the nation, though there are some damn good players this year. I think your USC affection is slipping out... it hurts to see you say Lache Seastrunk. As much as I obviously love De'Anthony Thomas and what he brings to the table, you can never have too many great RB's, and we had him in our grasps! Curse you, Willie Lyles...
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Post by BentleyA on Aug 3, 2013 10:18:49 GMT -8
Hahah, the Lache Seastruck comment was kind of a joke, since he literally did come out at the end last year saying that he is going to win the Heisman this year.
I have a lot of USC affection, but that is not my USC affection coming out. That is an opinion held by a lot of Non-SEC analysts out there. I can see a Clowney argument, but that is about it. To put Lee into a little perspective, up until the second to last week last season (once Barkley went down), Marqise was averaging more All Purpose yards per game then Reggie Bush did during his Heisman season. Pretty impressive considering Bush was handed the ball for a majority of his touches.
Good point about the QBs having to have dual threat type numbers. The one outlier this season I think would be McCarron. If he continues to put up that good of numbers and Bama is in the title game again, then I think he has a good chance to win it.
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Post by McNutted on Aug 3, 2013 10:56:36 GMT -8
Hahah, the Lache Seastruck comment was kind of a joke, since he literally did come out at the end last year saying that he is going to win the Heisman this year. I have a lot of USC affection, but that is not my USC affection coming out. That is an opinion held by a lot of Non-SEC analysts out there. I can see a Clowney argument, but that is about it. To put Lee into a little perspective, up until the second to last week last season (once Barkley went down), Marqise was averaging more All Purpose yards per game then Reggie Bush did during his Heisman season. Pretty impressive considering Bush was handed the ball for a majority of his touches. Good point about the QBs having to have dual threat type numbers. The one outlier this season I think would be McCarron. If he continues to put up that good of numbers and Bama is in the title game again, then I think he has a good chance to win it. Problem with Lee is gonna be who is getting him the ball. Not to mention he is THE guy now. At least last year Woods drew some attention away and defenses had to account for him too. I thought Barkley was a hell of a quarterback and was thrilled when my Eagles took him in the 3rd. Honestly this has become a duel threat QB award of late and I think the trend will continue. I'd look for guys like Boyd, Mariotta, Miller, Manziel, and Driskel to be the favorites heading in. McCarron won't put up the stats necessary to "wow" the voters. Saban Ball........ Effective but not flashy. I will still stick with my Winston pick. I figure it to be another year where a dual threat QB comes from relative obscurity to win it. Ala RGIII, Newton, and Manziel.
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Post by BentleyA on Aug 3, 2013 11:47:15 GMT -8
Im not saying Lee is going to win the Heisman or even be invited to New York. I was just talking about him being one of the best players in the country. Nelson Agholor will be on the other side of Lee this year. Agholor is not much of a drop off from Woods (if any drop off) and is considered by many as one of the best wide outs in the conference. He still has a lot to prove but he came through pretty big last year as a true frosh (huge game vs Oregon for example). The QB situation is definitely iffy and Lee will not put up the numbers he put up last year. Kessler is most likely going to be the starting QB. He is kind of like an athletic Leinart. More of a conservative approach QB, but unlike Leinart, he has some mobility to move around (think mobility like Aaron Rodgers in college). Not a huge arm, but not weak either. Please not that I am not saying he is going to be anywhere as good as Leinart, just pointing out the style player he is. SC will run the ball much more this year than they did last year with an improved offensive line.
I kind of forgot about Boyd for this discussion. I could see him being a good dark horse pick.
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Post by risewithus56 on Aug 3, 2013 11:59:03 GMT -8
Yeah, Boyd is an interesting one, I could definitely see him having a huge season in the ACC and making a strong case. As long as Clemson doesn't have a classic Clemson game... Really the same story for Winston, FSU seems cursed to the same fate until they break out of their patterns.
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Post by McNutted on Aug 3, 2013 13:56:22 GMT -8
Sadly you are right. While Lee is one of the best players in the country, the Heisman doesn't reward that. The Heisman might as well be name "The best statistical performance from an offensive player that plays in a BCS conference on a team that is nationally relevant and has an above average winning record award".
I am not knocking Lee at all, I just know the stats won't be there for him to make a legitimate run at the Heisman. Even if he would put up numbers better than last year, it is likely USC's final record would hold him back. I can really only see SC winning 7-8 games this year.
I'd also like to add some real Dark Horses to the list-
Devin Gardner Ka'Deem Carey Todd Gurley Kain Colter
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Post by GONNATEAMKILLU on Aug 4, 2013 20:33:37 GMT -8
Taylor Martinez will be in the discussion at years end
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Post by risewithus56 on Aug 4, 2013 22:36:36 GMT -8
Taylor Martinez will be in the discussion at years end Bold!
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